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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 16, 2013 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

"whole is greater than the sum of the parts" for both the DEAD, and even more, CREAM.

Here, here. Great bands are such a fragile, wonderful chemistry. Another - The Beatles. Even the much abused Eagles. Traffic? The list is probably huge.

How about someone putting up names of folks who surpassed their band with their individual efforts?

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Poster: Wichita Clem Date: Nov 17, 2013 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

I'm a huge Fairport Convention fan.
That said, Richard Thompson has, in my opinion, at least equaled the group output with his own and probably surpassed it.
His output has continued to be extraordinary. Fairport has had some notable material since his departure and soldiers on as well. Nice he continues to stop by the old neighborhood occasionally as well.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 17, 2013 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

Good one. Ok, I have one. Where's number two?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 17, 2013 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlk0-HQh2j4

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

These are all very nice, but I'm still waiting for no, 2 :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 18, 2013 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

Hey DH, yeah, I have a tough time w it as well; it's party my "early IS always better" bias, ya know?

But, we can at least point to some bands, of which these stars alluded to above were members, that were NOT great, they left, only to become GREAT in the next one?

Like Baker and Bruce and Clapton, ea in various "formative" groups prior to CREAM; or even YOUR Stevie in SDG, but much more in TRAFFIC, eh?

Nonetheless, to your org query? I got almost NUTHIN.

Was Sting considered more solo than w the Police? I think not, but others might?

Dave Mason, out from under all the others, was more successful solo than w Traffic? Perhaps?

Anyhoo, this is HARD, thus proving your pt.

;)

Whoops; what about CSN&Y? An exception as a rare super group get together for a brief period? Of course, I think all of them declined hugely post 72, though NY at least keeps things interesting, as does Crosby the mirror image of Linda Ronstadt BMI wise, ahem...but I think not.


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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

"even YOUR Stevie in SDG,"

Hah, in SDG Stevie was a hired gun - nothing more. And SD resented him anyway.

"Dave Mason, out from under all the others, was more successful solo than w Traffic? Perhaps?"

Imo, no. His first solo record was terrific and I still play it regularly. But his following stuff never quite made it to that level save for some sporadic pop success. And I saw him a couple of times in LA - I loved the sound of his guitar playing. But if I look at the body of music that Traffic created compared to his, then no.

And CSNY? I never really considered them a real group. The Y was a grudging and not fully committed participant.

I guess I'm not saying that individuals coming out of groups didn't make some terrific stuff (I'll admit to loving Don Henley's solo stuff), but overall, there is nothing like the synergy and magic that sometimes happens within groups. Guess that's why I like basketball too.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 18, 2013 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

Well, Sonny couldn't carry on w/out Cher...altho' The Captain surely didn't need Tenielle. I always thought Danny Partridge should have gone solo while he still had his chops, but....


Sorry, I've clearly lost the thread here. John Fogerty w/out CCR? Does anyone remember who the other band members of CCR were? No, but Fogerty still needed them for his best stuff.
Robbie Robertson did fine solo work w/out The Band, but, c'mon...his true worth still came from THE BAND.

Maybe the better question is: could guys who made their careers solo have made it just as significantly w/a great band around them? Dylan may answer that question. He had some OK moments with the Dead, but overall? Not even a contest. And don;t get me started on the Traveling Willburys.

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Poster: wlg3 Date: Nov 18, 2013 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

Here's one for your better question: Did Rod Stewart need The Faces in the early 70s to propel him to stardom on the late 70s and onward, or might he have eventually gotten there anyway?

(Note: I personally ignore post-Faces Rod, and half the time ignore Faces Rod to concentrate on Woody, Plonk, Mac & Kenney.)

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 1:36pm
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Good point. I think some guys were 'just passing through' on their way to their destinies.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 18, 2013 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Confession: 39 years after my first show I realize I've always been a Dead Head, and a CREAM fan.

Oh, well, whatever your view, I think you just nailed it: RS defn was HUGE following the 60s, and thus had a much better solo career; in fact, I bet only a few people would actually go along w you/me/any? as to Faces having been "gestalt great" or whatever...ie, most would view he was just slowly maturing, and bingo, nails it.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 19, 2013 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Roxy Music?

Bryan Ferry had some pretty good stuff after Roxy Music.

My daughter was conceived to RM's "Avalon"....that's why it's her middle name.

TMI, I know. You'll all live.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 20, 2013 4:18pm
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"My daughter was conceived to RM's "Avalon"....that's why it's her middle name."

Heh, heh, heh. My last kid was conceived during a senate filibuster on c-span about 10 years ago. I guess I'm lucky we went with Zoe TOOTMO instead of Dick Shelby TOOTMO—she probably has no idea how lucky she is!

In case you missed yesterday's TDIH, the Playin' is definitely worth backtracking for if you like your Playin' Lesh-filled.

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-19.123577.sbd.gans-miller.flac24

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 20, 2013 4:18pm
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"My daughter was conceived to RM's "Avalon"....that's why it's her middle name."

Heh, heh, heh. My last kid was conceived during a senate filibuster on c-span about 10 years ago. I guess I'm lucky we went with Zoe TOOTMO instead of Dick Shelby TOOTMO—she probably has no idea how lucky she is!

In case you missed yesterday's TDIH, the Playin' is definitely worth backtracking for if you like your Playin' Lesh-filled.

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-19.123577.sbd.gans-miller.flac24

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 19, 2013 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Roxy Music?

I dug/dig/grok/whatever his Bryan Ferry Orchestra that does '20's style jazz renditions of tunes (his Dylan covers are also cool).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LhVazAFGY (for you and the mrs.)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 19, 2013 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Roxy Music?

Skating lightly over my friend Mando's romantic memories, I'd say Brian Peter George St. John le Baptiste de la Salle Eno's career progressed in leaps and bounds post-Roxy.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 19, 2013 11:36am
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Hey RTW - good to see you. Hope things are well.

I wasn't going to delve into what happens at home while the various transformations of Pachelbel's Canon on the B side of Discreet Music are playing......

Not to mention his part in the remake of Peter and the Wolf. What an album - my first exposure to Stephane Grapelli. Manfred Mann, Phil Collins, Alvin Lee and Bill Bruford also played. I have some You Tubing to do now......

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 19, 2013 12:39pm
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Hey, Rick - things are somewhat divorced from well right now, but knowing things are dandy with you and El Diablo Azul is an undoubted tonic to the spirits. I should spend more time down this loony escape hatch we laughingly call the Grateful Dead Forum. Pachelbel sounds like a good idea, but currently halfway through Cameron Indoor 4-12-78 and bracing myself for that US Blues good-time mind zap.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 19, 2013 12:58pm
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Speaking of decrepit old Brits (sorry, this includes Scotsman as well), I read this today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/20/arts/monty-python-troupe-to-reunite-for-live-shows.html?_r=0

Not to sure this is such a good idea. We've seen some rather sad reuninon tours around this place and I'd hate to see their stellar memory tarnished.

If that US Blues doesn't provide at least some temporary respite, not sure what would.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 19, 2013 1:05pm
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Some things really are best left as happy memories, that's for sure. Meantime, I found out earlier today just what you've been doing to make a buck out of all that furniture you've been trashing in the service of the band.

http://www.reclaimed-pine-furniture.co.uk/pages/about

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 19, 2013 1:14pm
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I wish. I sold the commercial rights to the "SDH" name in order to fund construction of my compound.

Still stings though.




Excellent find, by the way. Good to see that at least some of your time is still occupied by my aura.

(OK, I've left the barn door open, it's up to you what happens next)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 19, 2013 1:15pm
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Still stings, eh? Have you thought of involving the Police?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 19, 2013 1:23pm
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Nah, I'm afraid Stu might leave splinters.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 19, 2013 1:30pm
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Would he?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 4:55am
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Fir sure.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2013 5:24am
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Aspen?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 5:33am
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Hey, don't start barking at me, ash hole.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2013 6:48am
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Knot me.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 6:54am
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Only if you spruce yourself up a bit first.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2013 7:16am
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Don't make me quince--you're evergreen with envy...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 8:06am
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http://video.wikia.com/wiki/File:The_Money_Pit_-_Weak_Trees (35:32 mark)

Wonder what you'll birch about next...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 20, 2013 9:19am
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I'd say someone has those deep elm blues....

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 9:46am
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Come on, guys - this is the wrong time of year for the saps to be rising,

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 9:50am
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"Her song is the larch on the morning's door"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8nHaelWtc

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 9:58am
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Induces inescapable feelings of euphorbia.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:00am
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And why wood it knot?

(I know, they've been used, but I couldn't resist it. That's the only resin I have.)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:06am
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So you didn't feel like branching out, that's oak-a.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:09am
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Nope, I'm deeply rooted where I am.


(I was going to go with a redwood or petrified wood reference, but realized that could be a little too lowbrow, even for me)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:16am
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Thanks. I'm actually grateful not to see your wood for the trees.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:24am
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OK, that's it. I bough to your superior intellect.




(tell me you haven't missed these intellectually stimulating exchanges)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:31am
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Speaking of Tell, do you think if we cut him in half and counted the rings we could find out how old he really is?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:33am
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I'm afrad the dry rot has done too much damage.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:47am
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Could we rub some Cream on it?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 10:54am
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I think it best if I leaf that one where it is.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 11:01am
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Well a (leaf) litter goes a long way.



(Slow day in the workplace, old friend?)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 11:07am
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Does it show?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 11:12am
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I kind of wish Dire would show up, but maybe that's just pining for the old days...

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 20, 2013 11:17am
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I also miss that lumbering oaf.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 20, 2013 11:23am
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He was always really good at twigging what was going on.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 20, 2013 1:10pm
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That stick-fetching, canid scent-gland bearing, bark-slobbering woofer?

Yeah, if there's someone that knows what to do with a trunk, he'd be our "man"...ahem.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 19, 2013 11:18am
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Yep. Then again, is being known as the father of ambient music always a good thing? He just released a new album:
http://warp.net/records/brian-eno/new-album-lux-announced/

I'll always love him for his work on the Bowie Berlin trilogy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJsAuUgSgc

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 19, 2013 10:32am
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The girl who did the solo on the studio version of Avalon was named Fonzie Thornton.

Hands down, if you are a female vocalist named Fonzie, you make the list.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 20, 2013 4:18pm
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"My daughter was conceived to RM's "Avalon"....that's why it's her middle name."

Heh, heh, heh. My last kid was conceived during a senate filibuster on c-span about 10 years ago. I guess I'm lucky we went with Zoe TOOTMO instead of Dick Shelby TOOTMO—she probably has no idea how lucky she is!

In case you missed yesterday's TDIH, the Playin' is definitely worth backtracking for if you like your Playin' Lesh-filled.

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-19.123577.sbd.gans-miller.flac24

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 20, 2013 4:18pm
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"My daughter was conceived to RM's "Avalon"....that's why it's her middle name."

Heh, heh, heh. My last kid was conceived during a senate filibuster on c-span about 10 years ago. I guess I'm lucky we went with Zoe TOOTMO instead of Dick Shelby TOOTMO—she probably has no idea how lucky she is!

In case you missed yesterday's TDIH, the Playin' is definitely worth backtracking for if you like your Playin' Lesh-filled.

https://archive.org/details/gd1972-11-19.123577.sbd.gans-miller.flac24

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Nov 21, 2013 3:54pm
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For those who care, I only have one daughter named "Zoe", not four as my posts would indicate. (Was that Foreman who named a coupla kids "George"?)

Enjoy,
Judge TOOTMO

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 18, 2013 10:18am
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An argument could be made for Sting, not that I will make it, just on the basis of his work with Branford, Kenny Kirkland, etc for "Bring on the Night". He played with Gil Evans Orchestra with that band and did full on miles show. I enjoyed that stuff more than the police. However, that's due to the others, not so much him.

A good argument could be made for Lou Reed, but he never really totally left behind VU material, and returned to it. But the bulk of his solo work measures well.

Can you count jazz musicians that left ensembles to form own bands? If so, then you could go on forever re Bird, Monk, Trane, Miles...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 11:21am
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I could accept a Sting argument, but the Police catalog is pretty indelible.

Much as I seem to different from folks around here, I never really connected to Lou Reed. Maybe it was the LA - NY thing.

And as for jazz, I am seriously lacking in the historical knowledge to argue anything. I went through a phase in my early 20s but I think I'll stick to rock and r&b and country.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 18, 2013 11:34am
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I'm with you on Lou. Just never did it for me.


Now don't get me started on the whole Davy Jones solo/Monkees thing.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 11:37am
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Hey I just thought of one - everyone's fav around here. :)

Nysnc > Justin Timberlake

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 18, 2013 12:00pm
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too soon to call - isn't the jury still out on this one? :)

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 1:34pm
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Maybe. Didn't he give them 42 seconds in their reunion at the recent MTV awards?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 18, 2013 10:28am
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I do think in "our" domain that your guy, Rob's too, is the ONE good example, though I've never caught the popular RT disease personally.

;)

EDIT!!!!

Amazing! I saw your lead comment on Sting, and thought you'd said that repling to ME, but realize we independently wrote those comments...

Do do do-do, DO do do-do (sorry, that's supposed to be TZone theme...?)

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Nov 18, 2013 1:11pm
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Peter Gabriel vs Genesis?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 2:57pm
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Good one. I have So. Did he do a lot after that? I'm not up on him.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 18, 2013 3:06pm
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OOH! I think we found another.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 18, 2013 4:47pm
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Hey, right now this is more fun than talking about Further.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2013 5:14pm
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DITTO!

This should prove interesting ...
http://dmme.net/yusuf-islam-ropes-in-rick-rubin-and-richard-thompson/



For a fall sunday evening ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqViJyweNV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3DS6xglAfQ

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 18, 2013 10:17am
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I'm always posting, ad nauseum for many, about RT. I've also been seeing him on regular basis since mid-80's (I guess it was Rumor & Sigh; Tony Levin was in the band). Anyway, he's up there with my very favorites all time. The solo in Hard on Me...

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Poster: Wichita Clem Date: Nov 18, 2013 10:08am
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Thanks for the tasty links!!
I'm lucky to have been able to see him most every year since the late '80s. Sometimes electric, sometimes not, but always wonderful.
A troubador in the classic sense!